God is the only one who can forgive mans sins. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 32. 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? The two are completely unrelated. The other thing is: Nowhere in the bible are we commanded to attend a regular CHURCH building and dress nice. WebThe following year, the CBF became the Fundamental Baptist Fellowship (1967). If you think that the other translations are too wordly that right there I dont like. And that boy who has grown up in Sunday School (because I brought him in my car every week) is now in 6th grade and has experienced the concept of unconditional love and promises that are kept things which would otherwise have been foreign. Since God looks at Jesus to forgive Ill look at Jesus also to forgive. I was sincerely disappointed. There are a lot of IFB pastors out there like that, the majority of the ones I sat under were like that, they just want to see you do better. That apparently is what Christ would do. Teaching there is any unforgivable sin besides the sin of unbelief in Jesus Christ is not biblical. 18 And you say that to swear by the altar is not binding, but to swear by the gifts on the altar is binding. My mother doesnt wear fancy earrings. Well Pastor Wilkerson is no longer here, and welllll.as far as Im concerned will never be the same. I will say though having grown up in that environment, there was a HUGE sense of support from the congregation, I always knew that if I needed something, I had people surrounding me who would help. They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you. While I have no opinions on this I do agree that wives, from a biblical view, should be submissive to their husbands because its found in Ephesians 5:22-23: 22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. Believing its a sin is one thing, believing its an unforgivable sin is another. I was taught that I needed to let God change him. Baptism of believers by immersion in water symbolizes sincere faith in Christ's death, burial, and resurrection with the desire to walk in newness of life. We believe that the New Testament church is a local assembly of baptized believers who have voluntarily joined themselves toge therto carry out the Great Commission. Praise the lord for giving it to us. And theyre most likely convinced that Donald Trumps election is really going to make their civil life better! 27 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. We believe that the souls of the redeemed are, at death, absent from the body and present with the Lord, where in conscious bliss they await the first resurrection, when spirit, soul, and body are reunited to be glorified forever with the Lord (Luke 23:43; Revelation 20:4-6; II Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:23, 3:21; I Thessalonians 4:16-17). I will have to argue that while on vacation we just go to church somewhere else rather than dashing home. Anybody who opposes the IFB teaching is bitter Cant say that because anybody who opposes BIBLICAL teaching is spiritually blind because they dont know the truth. Ive read all the comments posted so far, but I dont fall into many of those categories as an IFB and Ive been an IFB for almost 13yrs now. If it did then unsaved people wouldnt be able to forgive. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. If you think that homosexuality is an unforgivable sin Thats not true. the appearance of things is more important than reality, aka, you will cover up abuse and silence victims in order to protect the name of Christ. This is because primarily I am a Bible Believer and if church doctrine of any individual church does not line with scripture, then this so called doctrine is nothing more than a vain tradition. We believe that , lesbianism, bisexuality, bestiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography are perversions of God's intended purposes and therefore, sin. Would the lost or questioning feel that even if someone is attacking your comments, that youre setting an example that they could adopt? (Ephesians 2:8-10; John 1:12; I Peter 1:18-19). The truth is, if you had sex with ANY woman before you finally decided to marry one of them, you are a divorced man. This church is affiliated with the Minnesota Baptist Conference and the Baptist General Conference, and may likewise cooperate with interdenominational fellowships on a voluntary independent basis. Independent Baptists (a.k.a. 34. I already know where the IFB is coming from, I was indoctrinated in their dogma for 25 years. They were not Ignorant Fungicidal Blaptists. But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter and unhappy so I honestly feel badly for you. 18. I am a pastor of a Baptist church, but rather than call myself INDEPENDENT, I call myself unaffiliated with the other Baptist Churches. Praise God because us getting married and having faith we both grew. I go to an IFB church and thought a few of your statements could be funny if in the right spirit, some not so much and others I found untrue altogether. 28:19-20; Acts 2:41-42, 18:18; I Corinthians 11:23-26). Then, I can display my tolerance by making of list of things that I disagree with someone else about and make fun of them. 31. God values his word, even above his own name, and when you or I meet God, what we think means nothing to God, unless it lines up with His Word. Maybe you had a bad experience or many years of bad experiences at an IFB church, but that will never excuse you from bad mouthing any of Gods people or the many IFB churches the Lord uses to spread His word or send missionaries to the remotest parts of the world to seek those who are lost. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word. (Psalm 12:6-7; 2 Timothy 3:15-17; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Peter 1:20-21), Each local church is an independent body accountable to the Lord Jesus Christ. You can read more about that here: https://baptistdeception.com/cult/. Jesus will save you if you believe in your heart that he was raised from the dead and admit out loud that Jesus is your lord. I had a free apartment, food stamps, government phone, and a $60.. utility check every month. If I have misunderstood I apologize. And yet, they honor the Scofield Bible!!! We recognize the ordinances of baptism by immersion in water and the Lord's Supper as a Scriptural means of testimony for local churches in this age (Matthew. I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. sad stuff particularly the responses from obviously brainwashed bible folks. If your church has a tract rack outside the sanctuary, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 22. I also KNOW the areas that Hes not pleased with as I choose to hold on to that which the Bible clearly states as sin. We believe that all the redeemed, once saved are kept by God's power and are thus secure in Christ forever. Forgiving someone has nothing to do with whether or not you believe that Jesus died for their sins. (1 Timothy 2:1-6; 1 Peter 2:5,9; Revelation 5:9,10), The local church is mandated by God to practice two ordinances. No, because thats not Gods will. I aint got any place to judge anyone because in all honesty i have messed up in life a lot. 10 And dont let anyone call you Teacher, for you have only one teacher, the Messiah. I must put it in Jesus Christ. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. Believers in a free society should influence government toward righteousness, but should not make an unholy alliance for control, influence, or favors. Thank God for grace! If you compromise too much with the world, satan gets in and anything can happen thats why the word says to stay vigilant. If you think that mental health issues (depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, etc.) Most Christians believe everything in the Bible. The verses you quoted are taken out of context and dont mean what you imply them to mean. 2. Pastors daughter did my hair and cleaned my dress with baby wipes. You might The Duggar family, so much in the news lately, are Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB), a loosely affiliated, singularly cultish denomination of We are happily married today blessed with 2 more children. Mental health issues is a result of sin and poor choices same position with my belief concerning IFB 48. We reject any teaching that abortions of pregnancies due to rape, incest, birth defects, gender selection, birth or population control, or the mental well-being of the mother are acceptable. We believe that God forbids any attempt to alter one's God-given gender identity by any means, including surgery or appearance. It teaches parents to use their authority to prod, guide, and correct their children. XII. When you find Christ, you are a new creation and the spirit helps you to live a life that pleases Him, not us. While God hates divorce, but we should help those who are divorce so they can grow spiritually. What surprises me, though, is that he was ordained as a pastor and actually called to pastor DL Moodys church in Massachusetts as a divorced man. You strain your water so you wont accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel! All rights reserved. If your pastor is telling you otherwise hes a heretic. I hope whatever poor experience you had hasnt taken you away from the faith. The New IFB's website lists its core doctrines as salvation by faith alone, once saved always saved, King James Bible-only, the Trinity, soul-winning, "hard" preaching, prewrath post-tribulation rapture, and opposition of worldliness, Calvinism, dispensationalism, liberalism, and Zionism. Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. [4][5], A split in the New IFB occurred in January 2019, after Donnie Romero, pastor at Stedfast Baptist Church-Fort Worth (SBC), resigned after it was revealed he had hired prostitutes, smoked marijuana and gambled. I dont think its as bad as all this, but thats my 2 cents and maybe Im still on the inside.. Jesus Christ is the mediator between God and man. If you think that other than suits and ties for men is too casual for Sundays While I dont believe that you must dress up for church with suits and ties, however, I do believe we should honor God in His house by dressing up. Only a person who has embraced the Savior in fa Continue Reading 4 AbdulQadir Salati The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin.. I found this site while checking for deceptions in different denominations, starting with Mormons. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. They are as tragic as they are true and yes the IFB movement went ver overboard on many standards and traditions. Which is more importantthe gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? We dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. 25. This is very good. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? We believe the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments to be the Bible, as it is in truth, the Word of God (I Thessalonians 2:13). All people need to do is humbly ask for one. Stil fit. Satan's eternal end is everlasting torment in the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:10). Clapping after special is music is wrong because it gives praise to performers rather than to God That statement is wrong. If you attend a church each Sunday with a team of men that keeps track of attendence each Sunday In our congregation, we do not do that. 13. I dont even know what a Scofield Bible is but I believe God can use divorced people. People that are lost cant do what God has commanded because of unbelief. Growing up in a very conservative IFB church, I can personally attest to how accurate most of these were. More than one earring per ear for women is worldly I dont agree that multiple earrings per ear for women is worldly as long its not fancy. If your church encouraged you to make your own decision about becoming baptized, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. 10. You better be right with God and have your name written in the lambs book of life. 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I can forgive people for offenses committed against me. You are still required to tithe in the IFB regardless of your source of income. I dont believe my husband was the only one hurting the relationship. To the author, I hope youll be okay someday and if you can find a way to dig out that root I think youll find peace. Its NOT ABOUT US! 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. Others are very much unfair criticism. If you think that reading a version of the Bible other than the KJV is a sin, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 18. You might be a hypocrite if you dedicate a whole website to exposing deception while using it.??? Im open to discussions what Im not open to is people telling me what God wants me to do with my time and resources. I have scriptures on my walls that are from other versions. 23 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. You can be saved and live however, but there will be consequences the saddest consequence of this behavior is your relationship with God will be Hindered greatly or little. God has given each institution specific Biblical responsibilities and has balanced those responsibilities with the understanding that no institution has the right to infringe upon the other. They had made an idol out of church attendance. Jack hyles was an adulterous heretic. N/A Id have more time to minister to the lost if I didnt have to work to repair the damage done by the IFB. I believe tithing is good and God blesses those who tithe. Everyone has sent in their life. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. 4 How can you think of saying to your friend, Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye, when you cant see past the log in your own eye? While I dont have a general opinion on this, I do believe that we should discipline our kids in the same sense that God disciplines us. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist network, most prominently associated with anti-LGBTQ pastor Steven Anderson, appears to be in turmoil as infighting again erupts, this time between Anderson and fellow pastors in the network. We believe in the bodily resurrection of all men, the saved to eternal life, and the unsaved to judgment and everlasting punishment (Matthew 25:46; John 5:28, 29, 11:25-26; Revelation 20:5-6, 12-13). Me and my boyfriend were going to break up unless there was hope for change. WebThe Road to Emmaus Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church in Monaca, Pennsylvania. Like I said, Im more than happy to have a discussion. Most pastors are lacking and are full of themselves because of one basic issue. Jesus says that if you love Him, that you will keep His words.. These are right on the money! BUT, there is good news! The parable of the prodigal son is talking about Israel the younger and Judah the elder. Romans 5:8 2 Corinthians 2:10 is a guideline not a command. [2] They are described by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) as "a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their belief in certain religious doctrines and a shared brand of deeply anti-LGBTQ and antisemitic teachings." God divorced Israel but Not judah..Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of WHAT?? 8. Lastly, I cant really respond to the think that theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse because I have no idea where thats coming from in my initial post. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. Many of those things actually do go on at IFB churches, but several of those things are Biblical. We believe education in the world is good, but the teaching of evolution needs to be addressed if the individual is a little kid as false doctrine. Me and my husband got saved 3 1/2 years ago at an IFB church. 2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. LOL. If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. Peace. 39. He wasnt saying that spanking is right or wrong, but that definitely extreme discipline and beating kids is not what the Bible teaches. You feel forced to go door to door preaching No general opinion on this since door to door preaching within the IFB is very similar to that of the Jehovahs Witnesses though we should share the gospel to others, especially to those who dont have Christ in their lives. Oh well, maybe another discussion. For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in peoples faces. I was in an IFB church for eight years and left because the weight of never feeling that I would be good enough for this church had worn me down. A IFB member knocked on my door one Saturday and invited us to church. hypocrite. God works in mysterious ways. Attending an IFB church is the only way to hear the true gospel and get saved There are so many churches that claim the be the one, true, church, especially the Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Anglicans, some Lutherans, Jehovahs Witnesses, Mormons, etc. The Pastor leads, feeds, guides, and guards the church at the direction of Christ. The Baptist distinctives are listed below: The Bible is our sole authority for faith and practice. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. WebAn independent, fundamental Baptist, local church oriented faith Mission serving Baptist and Bible churches in their missions outreaches and church planting around the world. He says he isnt saved but is open minded and is at least asking questions. Im told its because when u abandon the real truth, theres hardly any hope. The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. So I did. 7 They love to receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces, and to be called Rabbi.. What Jesus did on the cross is for our salvation. 24. I have no belief, opinion, or position of this In fact, if you're single you know what I'm talking about. Some of these are very much right on the money. I have no opinion on this I have to admit its a lot less work than actually thinking through things. This is an independent fundamental Baptist program that has chapters in churches all across the country. On their arms they wear extra wide prayer boxes with Scripture verses inside, and they wear robes with extra long tassels. If one gives because they are forced, or constrained TO GIVE, that giving does not come from the heart, and God does not honor that kind of giving. God Wasnt going to see our fornicating as bringing glory to him. 40. We struggled putting off our addictions, but over came them trough prayer. Im sure that this was meant to be funny but I can tell that you seem bitter. The Bible gives qualifications for each office. 19 How blind! What is the Southern Baptist Convention and what do Southern Baptists believe? We should teach our children of who Jesus is and how we should live a holy or Christian life. At one point in my life I would have agreed with 45 of your 55 litmus tests, plus a few others. I forgave him before he changed. If you think that tattoos are marks of the Devil, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 20. Our accountability comes through a board of directors comprised of 24 independent fundamental Baptist pastors who, in turn, were elected to serve as directors by independent fundamental Baptist pastors. Just please be sure that your judging is fair. 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N/A It made me think of this, Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; Its a shame, but whattayagonnado? And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? Hypocrites! For example, #54. You can read more about it here: https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/, I never said the IFB is a cult because some IFB churches may not be the best. Yes, I remember that. Fellowship, guidance, and encouragement of the local church family are essential for believers to maintain an unwavering testimony and a meaningful life of service. No denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. If you went to a church camp where mixed bathing wasnt allowed and every evening there was a 3 hour sermon, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Everyone has health issues. Im glad they didnt because Id probably be ashamed admitting Im a liar. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. (Mat 22:37-40) Can you honestly say that this is of God. Care to elaborate, provide examples? Its my calling and my ministry. Pastor and his wife knew where we lived and probably wondered why, but they never asked or pried. I understand others dont like hearing God gave inspiration to the Kjv, but its true. Thats The Holy Spirit speaking to me. Deacons help the pastor care for the flock so he can give priority to prayer and the ministry of the Word. Thanks for reading! If you believe that that the wine referred to in the bible is nothing more than the fruit of the vine I generally agree with this part especially when it comes to the Lords Supper because wine from a biblical perspective is grape juice even though I still question if it is NOTHING MORE than the fruit of the vine. 22. Baptists as a whole, are pretty terrible. Everyone as an individual should get right with God in whatever he has commanded them. Why do people think that I dont have time to pray for loved ones simply because I have this site up? I talk to her about my faith she talks to me about her faith. 17. Their testimony is great Im sure they won more people to the lord than you. Because of your traditions you have destroyed the authority of Gods word. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: Well the whole point of being an independent church is that there is no one that you are responsible to. Haha, thanks for the confirmation! This is because we live in this flesh. All youve done in your last paragraph is parrot typical IFB talking points no substance there, just regurgitation. I hope you found some church that preaches the truth (even though they may differ on some things with me). I have read other versions of the Bible. Like I said, funny post, but a bit judgmental as well. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? I know the answers now. The New IFB is strongly opposed to homosexuality, with several pastors advocating the belief that homosexuals should be executed by the government. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Hypocrites! Would the lost or questioning feel that even if someone is attacking your comments, that youre setting an example that they could adopt? It is the Divine Revelation of God to man and is the complete and infallible guide to faith and life. And as the word independent implies, we are not all alike. I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. I love psychology and I love my bible I use them together with Discernment from the Holy Spirit. Christ died for his sin already, so he had already been forgiven by God. Baptists are people of the Bible and not fellings. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) movement is a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? I would have rejected the advice if in my heart If didnt want the relationship anymore, but we had a kid and I needed it to work. If you believe that everyone who opposes IFB doctrine is just bitter, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 48.