A lot of guys come from athletic backgrounds too, and maybe took up the game at an older age. Short hitter compared to the average WRXer I've had the privilege of playing with and watching tour players in person, so I know what they're capable of. That is why you will find some pros wedges measured up to 0.5 or even 0.25 when listed and it is also likely that some of the actual strengths of the wedge lofts they use may in reality be stronger (i.e. Add That Little Extra Limited is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees (at no cost to you) by linking to Amazon.com. This is so I could hit it higher and spin it more, enabling me to access that tough pin position. Most of the guys I play/practice with are +2 to 5 handicaps. Your ball speed is a little low which could indicate an off-center strike. One suggestion could be to setup course length based on club speed and optimal driver efficiency. A Step by Step Guide, Acceleration Graph of Hips, Chest, Arms, and Clubhead in a Pro Golf Swing. This is the site where we share everything we've learned. When it comes to his mid-irons he hits his 6-iron and 7-iron 195 and 180 yards. When I watch professional events I am always taken aback by how high they hit their driver but how low they hit their wedges. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. I was advised to switched to the 8 bounce as my impact is shallower than when I was previously fitted for my SM8s. [/quote] Carry Efficiency 2.51 Justin is committed to showing benevolence and grace to children in need, with the goal of bolstering their confidence, strengthening their determination, and allowing them great possibilities. I played Monday and hit my 1st 3 drives over 300 and in the fairway. What Irons Do the Pros Use? Despite the slight changes SM9 still looks very much like a Vokey should and thats what I like about these heads. A single figure golfer all of his adult life he lives in London and still enjoys playing whenever he can with friends and family. Master the Swing Plane and Handle Path for Increased Distance and Accuracy! I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. I'm not on here to impress anyone with my driving distance but that doesn't mean I didn't hit it that far. There is the same classic stamping on the sole with the BV logo in the middle, SM9 written towards the toe and Vokey Design nearer the heel. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] Ive hit greens from 210 out with a 20 degree hybrid. Distance to Apex 195.9 People like you that rant about longer amateurs is what makes for good laughs. For as long as I can remember Vokey have been the top wedge brand in golf. work on your short game. I also shot 86. Anyone remember young Guan the 14 year old at Augusta he was so small he could only drive it 250 but did alright. I need to know few things before buying. Going the Distance? I have played golf for 22 years. He is 180 ball speed off the driver with outstanding launch numbers. Those numbers seem about right. Not uncommon these days for elite swing speed They were measured with GPS. I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. Book a Session for only R500 to get your Swing Analysis. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] the TrackMan numbers below. These high-level numbers of course dont always tell the whole story as the pros like us are faced with an infinite variety of golf shots which dont always mean they are hitting each club as far as they possibly can for every shot. Jordan Spieth whats in the bag accurate as of the Presidents Cup. People like you that rant about longer amateurs is what makes for good laughs. You could take my woods and irons and pair it with Phil's wedge play and Stricker's putter and I'd be an average PGA tour player. Justins interest in the military was inspired by some of the men and women in uniform he has met over the years. Victoria II. Most of the guys I play/practice with are +2 to 5 handicaps. After reading this article I did more research and discovered I should be playing nearly 1200 yards shorter, and doing so without shame. I like to look at his averages on the tour seems to be more realistic data that is actually in play on tour. I figured that out years ago based on hole distance and yardage to the flag after my tee shot. Launch- 11.28, 9.71 low, 12.87 high Launch Angle 11.28 Ha, okay. Titleist 906F4 13.5* Fuji Rombax 8Z08 X Launch Angle 11.28 ;9#I 'S2G4Mi]JE [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Average Distance - 302 yards[/background][/size][/color] [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364404259' post='6707501'] Don't doubt the ability of some people to produce similar numbers to the pros. Especially the average driving distance data. I wouldn't take a trackman stat to the bank. With all the new technology that is now available in Drivers since this article came out, do you plan on updating the information. Take Bubba for example who can increase his AoA to 5-6 and hit balls 350 yards in the air when screwing around on the range however on the course he hardly does that. FYI I hit my drive 240-250 he often hits is way past me from the whites. It was soft in landing rather than quick and checking. But if you can hit it 275 on your home muni track, that is at least 290 on a tour track with manicured fairways and perfect level tee boxes to hit from. Mizumo T22 Blue 54 58 S400 TI My problem is the amount of power i have and need to work on half wings. President & CEO, Boys & Girls Clubs of Kentuckiana, Brent Paladino [quote name='jeffrey08250' timestamp='1364416031' post='6708919'] Shafts: True Temper Dynamic Gold Tour Issue S400. 3. Absolutely awesome numbers though. If I slow it down some and shoot for 280-290, I hit more fairways. Whatever helps you sleep at night my friend. What I find funny is the number of people on here that think it's ridiculous that an amateur golfer claims to have similar numbers to a professional. What I find funny is the number of people on here that think it's ridiculous that an amateur golfer claims to have similar numbers to a professional. I play off 8 at a championship course 7200 yards in the UK. Now that you guys have more and more data from the combine tests are you going to adjust the hcap chart. I often feel articles such as this are skewed. Apex Height 112' 11" 3-irons average 217 yds, 4-irons 208 yds, 5-irons 199 yds, 6-irons 188 yds, 7-irons 177 yds, 8-irons 164 yds and 9-irons 153 yds. Some of us didn't have the means or access to learn and play a lot of golf when we were Teeball aged. Obviously not. Official driving distance is only measured on two holes per round, which means you might get 50-60 shots in a year. Even my 4 iron ball speed max is 137 and Im getting 235 yards. Before it is assumed that the AMA should simply club up, actual distances with each club should be determined. Vokeys are no doubt aspirational golf clubs, you are viewed as a knowledgeable and better golfer if you have these in the bag. You could take my woods and irons and pair it with Phil's wedge play and Stricker's putter and I'd be an average PGA tour player. 2 were over 320. [/quote] The fairways where I play are very firm and I get a fair amount of roll. Open navigation menu. Ball Speed- 176.38 average, 179.45 high Don't doubt the ability of some people to produce similar numbers to the pros. Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. That's my opinion at least. [/quote] Angle of attack, club speed, path, club face. WebSee how The Honda Classic Justin Thomas Trackman numbers look https://blog.trackmangolf.com/justin-thomas-trackman-numbers/ %PDF-1.5 19* SLDR Resuce // Speeder 9.3s I prefer 120-160 yards, so I try my best to play to that yardage on par 4's. I like to look at his averages on the tour seems to be more realistic data that is actually in play on tour. [/quote] Take Bubba for example who can increase his AoA to 5-6 and hit balls 350 yards in the air when screwing around on the range however on the course he hardly does that. The best distance comparison we have for those clubs is therefore the carry distance. It's good for some laughs. To fix that we changed to the new wedge with fresh grooves and made it a degree flatter to straighten my flight up. Total Distance Efficiency 2.484. Vokey (TVD SM7 RAW 52 & SM6 RAW 58)- DG S400 Short hitter compared to the average WRXer Once again Vokey customise their wedges even in the grooves. Foley was talking about him hitting 8-9* down when playing his stinger. I know a 47 year old who played d1 golf hits nothing but trap draws hits 8 irons 190. Distance is only a big deal to those who don't have it If I have a front pin with a hard green, I would go at it harder with the shorter club, maybe a 150 yard pitching wedge. [/quote] Do you have Average Female Amature driver swing speed? Mail at your own risk to: Excel Sports Management If I slow it down some and shoot for 280-290, I hit more fairways. May I ask how many of them have 120 mph swing. He has an average attack angle of -1.6 degrees. Or when hazards are present, it may be even wiser to aim for the opposite edge of the green. For those of you interested in how these averages compare to individual pros we have listed in the table below the average stock carry yardages for a selection of the top pros when it comes to how far they hit their driver. Get off the elite courses and look at the ones where people are paying maybe $45 to play, not $200+. I wouldn't take a trackman stat to the bank. it would be great to see this information on a broadcast on a couple of hole locations - combined with protracer. But if you take the averages over a season you are going to get more than a good idea of how far the pros are hitting each club. The next table uses the approach distances from the previous and calculates the proximity to hole. It is all about the short game I grabbed the 46 degree to see if I could finally be that 3 wedge Vokey golfer, it was so good I asked for an entire iron set of Vokeys. #:>PC"ljTTZ!@8[+D py"4]F: }X@`*0gIiF1|fv3cp{c?9EkD!j> I don't measure my driver distance. How many times do you see TV reporting driving distance on an uphill into the wind hole? The difference in a lot of longer amateurs and pros is control. It's good for some laughs. What is evident is you obviously don't play with good amateur players. Thats 95 extra yards, putting the actual distance of the drive under neutral conditions around 340-345. Knowing tee shot distances and iron distances helps with that. Unless you're using the ball you play with every round, in the different conditions you play in, the numbers on the Trackman are null and void. My hunch its even bigger for AFA vs AMA? The AMA isnt going to be achieving this max theoretical 255 yard drive very often. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Ball Speed - 185 mph[/background][/size][/color] Imagine being on the practice ground with Justin Thomas or Nelly Korda week in week out. The driver is almost always the most talked about golf club in everyone's bag. Is it around 25-35% less than the AMA group? Consistency is Key, Are Driving Range Distances Accurate? Just ask Corey Pavin, Mark Wilson, Mike Weir, Fred Funk. Ball Speed 176.38 Including a personal best one under 35 for nine. Add That Little Extra Limited also participates in other affiliate programs with FlexOffers, CJ, Svorn and other sites and is compensated for referring traffic and business to these companies (again at no cost to you). Mack Made Custom Blade. Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. When it comes to talking about distance in golf the easiest and most obvious place to start is of course always with the longest club in the golf bag the driver. More photos from the event here. Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Black 6 X, 3-wood: TaylorMade Stealth 2 Plus (15 degrees @ 14) Am I as good as tour pro? Simmer down, all. On average, all of the projected distances were 50-70 yards further without the slice. As far as a Trackman goes.I've used it once. Smash Factor 1.475 Have a look at his driver and 6 iron swing, incl. Web2/27/2012 Justin Rose COMBINE TEST 1 | TrackMan www.trackman.dk TEST INFO Date:2/27/2012 Name:Justin Rose DOB:7/30/1980 Hcp:+5 Mode:Outdoor Location:Lake Nona Temp:78 F Wind:0-5mph Notes: TOTAL SCORE Driver Statistics (avg.) [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] However don't be overwhelmed, the good news is that there is only one set up choice in the PW, two in the GW and multiple in SW and LW due to the wider range of shorter shots you play with these clubs. The respective games the AMA and professional golfers play today are two entirely separate entities and should be treated as such. Golf Balls are a Problem, Most Popular Driver on LPGA Tour? Grip: SuperStroke, Driver: Titleist 917 D3 (10.5 degrees @12) I remember they had the analysis of his 8 iron that he hit at firestone from like 200+ out in a golf digest or something a couple years ago don't remember any of the numbers unfortunately tho M2, maybe 915 FD 913 HD 712u 3 714 AP2 4-p SM5 53, 59 Circa62 knock it close Advanced Members 6.2k Feedback 0 0 0 Total Rating 0% Posted The consistency of impact through the sand was staggering, I seemed to take the exact same amount of sand and impact location every time. These 23 heads are available in three finishes: Jet Black, Tour Chrome and Brushed Steel. [/quote] Hang Time 5.8 Have a look at his driver and 6 Trackman stats obviously don't mean that much either. The difference in a lot of longer amateurs and pros is control. When you watch the PGA Tour or any major championship on TV it is hard not to notice how far pro golfers hit the ball. Hitting long irons or hybrids into all of the par 4s does not set the AMA up for an enjoyable day on the golf course. As you can see, 45% have a club speed between 91 and 100 mph. I, and many amateur golfers I play with on a regular basis, have the ability to hit the ball a long way. I guess if you don't play with guys that are good, it's understandable. Tee and Approach Shots! Honestly many guys in this small % sort of make every other golfer feel like that . Most of the guys I play/practice with are +2 to 5 handicaps. [/quote] Shaft: Aldila NV, 7-wood: Callaway Big Bertha Dear friend, do anyone here user Taylormade RSI 1 Irons. [color=#ff0000]I'd really like to see Tiger's path and face numbers too among others especially seeing how far left he aims at times. [/quote] I can't seem to find them. Unlock the POWER Muscles in Your Golf Swing! Launch- 11.28, 9.71 low, 12.87 high All that strength comes from the lower body. My question is my average D is +5.3, 6I is +3.5 and 8I is +2.1. Your email address will not be published. Although there is a slow trend towards improvement, many in the golf industry wonder why progress has not been faster. God how I loved playing golf. [/quote] I'll pass. Smash Factor 1.475 Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Blue 6 X, 3-wood: Titleist TSR3 (15 degrees @ 14.25) it would be great to see this information on a broadcast on a couple of hole locations - combined with protracer. Oddly, I bet you find that you do NOT score significantly better than your handicap even though the distances are short. Thanks for posting. Bump up your confidence around the greens. Driver: Titleist TSi3 (10 degrees) There are golfers out there who are scratch only hitting the ball 200-250. I also shot 86. My spin dropped 500 rpm on average and my flight favoured the left side. It makes the head look a little rounder, but Vokey has done a great job of disguising this weight distribution at address. Or the public course in Lenoir, NC? If it was published in a journal as well, please could you direct me to where I could find it. It takes persistence and painstaking practice to regularly do drills designed to help improve your swing speed, not to mention the constant measuring to ensure you are in fact improving your swing speed. Its unrealistic for most amateurs to break 100 on courses that share the aforementioned conditions, which is what a lot of the courses of today present. Bilan, I think you should rub one out before you get to first tee box. Try a par 3 course (18 holes) of any length and compare your results to your handicap. Short hitter compared to the average WRXer Shaft: Aldila NV, Irons: Cobra Amp Forged (4-PW) Its about 20% less when comparing PGA vs LPGA. Ive tried this with many people and they shoot about their handicap. Some of us didn't have the means or access to learn and play a lot of golf when we were Teeball aged. X-Forged UT (#3- 21)- DG X700 Don't doubt the ability of some people to produce similar numbers to the pros. But the guys with a great wedge and not great length still hack it on tour because they have what matters. [/quote] 52* & 58* Callaway MD2 // S-300 The plan is to include this type of information within TrackMan University in the future, but that is likely many months away at this point. Don't doubt the ability of some people to produce similar numbers to the pros. Thanks! The first chart, with the club speed distribution, is that only for hcp 14-15 golfers? a lower loft) or a touch weaker (i.e. He defeated Will Zalatoris in a 3-hole playoff to clinch the title for the second time. Because winning money, titles, and shooting low scores doesnt involve all that much power hitting, especially with the irons. Carry Efficiency 2.51 This way the material is removed from the face and not spread out which means the grooves are sharper and weight isn't dispersed. The AMA is far from efficient with his driver. I guess that's laughable though, right? Can crush it further by trap drawing it really stepping on it. Most of my longer clubs only just creep above the 200 yd mark. BALL; Chrome Soft X. Notice how few balls landed past the target.. WebSee how The Honda Classic Justin Thomas Trackman numbers look https://blog.trackmangolf.com/justin-thomas-trackman-numbers/ Top 50 Player Guide. I think you wish you hit it further. And that was 12 years ago. There is no age or nationality restriction for the AMA. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Spin Rate - 2200 rpm[/background][/size][/color] Top 100 PGA Tour Player Guide (2021). WebBut he picked up 25 yards for elevation, 25 for wind, and another 45 for extra roll. The flight is reduced and the spin still remains. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] [/color] I have a terrible slice that knocks A LOT of yards off of my drive. I wouldn't take a trackman stat to the bank. WebIn 2018, Justin was just the 21st player to ever reach #1 in the Official World Golf Rankings following his WGC win in Memphis. They are clean and contemporary. You will probably pick up that I gravitate towards the technical aspects of most things I do. If length was a determing factor for professional status then we'd have the Wedge players tour and not the Long Drivers tour. I am disabled now and dont play at all but i had a spinal fusion and two rods put in my back when i was a teenager. Apex Height 112' 11" I have always wanted a push draw and now i can see the light in the tunnel. The following is Torrey Pines South, where golfers line up each morning for a chance to play one of Americas 100 Greatest Public Courses (Golf Digest). =t 'BRvGGs.Du="dP0 J/% Np^=+,5I,F5HH#418y\PuQ5) x9.>5?2P5@B$bz.k^OY<>Vf.%,(H8,~f3YzWBpj|!8K^E`$D &XP9gBTl+= Tg{\(k@bW6o9e:&x$hx"o0@:+}UnMD($R*3|>M}18&oA>m Ed&Z):Y{J|'@*bT6|QNbge2RU'02_^^{ I also play at a local par 3 course which holds the junior par 3 championship and I have shot 7 under around the par 3 course. Please include a self-addressed envelope with prepaid postage for return. Thomas, who was born and raised in Goshen, KY, played collegiate golf for the Alabama Crimson Tide. Is a soft ball for club head speed of 90 MPH with the driver better than a hard ball? Trackman stats obviously don't mean that much either. How Often Do Pros Hit Driver? Copyright 2020 GolfWRX Holdings, LLC. Scotty Cameron SS Newport Beach w/ UST Frequency Filter and Rosemark Thorn 1.52 grip. [quote name='xmanhockey7' timestamp='1364353356' post='6703825'] Justin came from 7 strokes back to start the final round at the 2022 PGA Championship which ties the largest final round comeback in PGA Championship history. Knowing what club to hit based on distance and the safest place to aim based on dispersion tendencies will undoubtedly benefit the golfer. Titleist SM5 52-08 & 58-07 S400's The "you have to be a tour player to hit a long way" mentality is comical to say the least. The difference in a good amateur player and a touring professional is typically going to be short game, endurance, and that space between the ears. I know I'm not a short hitter & I know there's a ton of bs on this board. 4 -PW: Callaway Apex MB, KBS $ taper 130X, Wedges - Jaws raw 50, 54, 59 KBS $ taper 130x, Putter- Odyssey Vesa 12 center stroke lab shaft. But you also have to add in the slight mishits, the rainy days, and the balls that land in the rough. Optimizing a golfers distance with the driver (using their existing club speed) is an alternative way to effectively shortening a golf course. I once read that if all golfers had to count every stroke they took, and appropriate penalty shots, only 10 percent could legitimately break a 100. Executive Director, The First Tee of Louisville, Jennifer Helgeson In other words the distance from where they hit the ball to the point of impact on the ground. Artisan MT Grind (58) DG S400 When you take the wedge out of the bag you notice the fuller toe, and there is more material behind the head. I bet a lot of my tee shots find the rough though. That tells Although early days yet is there a general reason for the different results in club path. And this is where taking the TrackMan Combine and going through a Find Your Distance session is so valuable. 6 0 obj Im 46 years old and dont think my 95 mph swing speed will increase that dramatically without throwing rhythm off. I can hit the ball a long ways, that doesn't make me full of bs. Feel free toshare your thoughts and experience in the comment section below. (Unimpededof course, because we always were able to play during the week). You can check the combine driver stats here: https://mytrackman.com/#combine. The above statements were [i]only[/i] about length. Mr Vokey has listened and gone on to design a wedge with the feedback of those players in mind. The performance of these wedges really was impressive. Having the ability to hit it the ball as far as they can has nothing to do with me thinking highly of myself. Do you suppose my distance is bs? I think this is very interesting but misleading. I have shot level round the chammpionship course on occasion also though. You're delusional if you think any amateur on WRX that claims to have similar numbers to the longer pros thinks they are also as good as a tour pro. 5 Testers Needed! T 'enG~q/Om\#Q`{ HLRpC45`|NiG*"2agUTeu9d10S8xl?O`,`~ja~=j'(d~e?7UN+&iHPI=8NQQ={"K9R1d"3j$NJd[?@fUM)IxJ)Sn-bcVk7*"d9;&!0tB%=7$W&q&:L^q1|T]6k)SF x]I]618nI9^R? Milled grooves - SM9 sees Titleist use a new saw to cut their grooves, instead of stamping them onto the face. Im a 42 year old 59 and been playing golf since I was 35. Length is nothing. RocketBladez Tour 4-PW // C-Taper Because of the trends and correlations found in the TrackMan Combine data, it is possible to calculate the proximity to hole for nearly any handicap or approach distance with high confidence. Jordan Spieth WITB 2021 (May Charles Schwab Challenge), Jordan Spieth WITB: 2020 Farmers Insurance Open, Jordan Spieth winning WITB: 2022 RBC Heritage, WITB Time Machine: Jordan Spieths 2015 John Deere Classic winning WITB. Thankfully also the SM9s dont seem to be ripping the cover off your ball, but looking at the Trackman numbers the backspin was high which you'd expect from the milled grooves. Ball Speed- 176.38 average, 179.45 high i suggested he play white from the start and he is happy. Not at all. Our TrackMan Combine database would contain the answer to those questions, but it would require significant work to pull that information out. There is CG shift between lofts and there is a progressive hosel length in the wedges to balance out weight distribution. But he does not average those. Its important to turn your body to get that extra speed. For example, I could average over 300 yards per round during the summer with a driver. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364416375' post='6708959'] And also wondering how LPGA fits into this chart. You could hear the thump and it was relentless in its consistency. Overall I cant fault these wedges for an elite player as we are aware of the slight differences of feel at strike, flight and contact with the ground. The Justin Thomas Foundation positively impacts children in need, junior golf, and military families with the intent of helping all achieve their full potential. [/quote] I should be getting more distance on this club head speed right? http://web.tigerwoods.com/onTour/seasonStatistics. Learn how your comment data is processed. It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. Mike Austins Secret Release Move to Multiply Your Clubhead Speed. Display as a link instead, My experience suggests that this is true. And that is for the simple reason that pros will hit all manner of a variety of different shots with their irons, especially for their approach shots, and as such, they will hit the same iron a variety of different distances. Obviously not. PING i210 (4i-UW) DG X100 Yes, typically very short drivers of the ball are better iron players or wedge players. Most golfers think that the guys on the PGA Tour hit the ball incredibly long. The AMA is capable of carrying the ball much further than his current total distance. Even when playing from the green tees at Torrey Pine South, the AMA is left with 165 yards for his approach shot. Carry Distance 302.9 WebJustin Thomas TrackMan Numbers Congratulations to Justin Thomas with his latest victory at the Dell Technologies Championship, well played! Top 100 PGA Tour Player Guide, What Wedges Do the Pros Use? The "you have to be a tour player to hit a long way" mentality is comical to say the least. No question - 100%. Tiger Woods Trackman numbers, I thought they were posted on here at one time from an event. Driver 6 Iron Brooks Koepka Related Posts Erik Van Rooyen Driver Numbers Sei Young I'm BARELY 250 off the tee, but I will mop the floor with most from 125 in The goals of the Justin Thomas Foundation reflect the altruistic aspirations of the Thomas family. timestamp='1364355784' post='6704107'] Based on the Trackman, the fitter's recommendation was a 910 D3, 7.5 loft, and a Graphite Design Tour AD DI 8X. F rom the comfort of your sofa or if youre lucky, alongside the ropes each major championship gives you a chance to see the biggest hitters in the world unsheathe their drivers and swing away. 100% of all funds raised with be used to make a constructive and quality impact for a deserving child, family or charity. Justin Thomas and Excel Sports Management are not responsible for lost, stolen or damaged items.